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Miss Rachel: Gully, eh? Do you rock around
PACK FM: Nah I don't, people around here are scared of me, they know better. Just kidding, I'm gully in a different sense, you roll with me for a day and the word gets redefined.
Miss Rachel: How did you come about redefining gully? Explain.
PACK FM: I redefine gully, just in my attitude, people think being gully is just walking up and punching someone in the mouth, its more than that. People know I'm gully cuz of the way I get shit done and go about things.
Miss Rachel: It's a rough day in the Basement, we're about to have a guest in here that apparently has some beef with some of the crew, so everyone's a little gully themselves in here... Moving right along, I know that you used to write graffiti when you were younger... What do you think of the graffiti scene in
PACK FM: I still go out very rarely, I might go catch some tags tomorrow night, but I was more into bombing when I was younger. The NYC scene isn't what it used to be. These kids can't write and nobody is really out for fame like back in the day. Partly because they cracked down on graffiti big time, but even still, the kids suck at tagging, no pen styles.
Miss Rachel: It has to be disheartening to see an art form evolved in a negative manner... Do you see that happening with emceeing in
PACK FM: The whole NYC hip hop scene is in trouble period. Cats out here are just too full of themselves. They just want to hear themselves rap, and see themselves on stage. They aren't concerned with pleasing any fan base. As long as they look cool to their boys.
PACK FM: Yea it is tough to get a reaction out of New Yorkers, but at the same time, people need to step off of their high horses and just be appreciative. The first time I ever performed was the worst; I was looking at my feet the whole time just rapping over instrumentals in front of people who couldn't care less who I was. I soon learned how to engage audiences and keep them interested. Every time I do a show I try to do an honest evaluation and learn from even the smallest mistakes, to improve for the next time.
Miss Rachel: What was your most embarrassing moment on stage? How did you recover from it?
PACK FM: I don't get embarrassed often, I've fallen off stage a few times, but I usually turn it into a b-boy move of some sort so people don't notice. One time we was wildin out on stage and Tonedeff was swinging his arms and I got punched in the mouth, I fell, but I played it off real well and nobody was the wiser.
Miss Rachel: Do you follow politics at all? Who has a better chance of becoming president, a black man or a white woman?
PACK FM: I don't really follow politics heavy, and most people who claim to, don't either, because I bet if you asked them to name 4 congress men and 5 senators they'd be stumped. As far as presidency, a white woman. 2 reasons, obviously racism in this country. and women of all races would be more likely to support a female candidate. See it has nothing to do with politics haha.
Miss Rachel: I feel that, personally, I'd rather see Obama take shit, but that's just me. Do you personally still encounter racism?
PACK FM: I do, not much, but its there. I can't catch a taxi for shit. Cabs pull up, look at me and then pull off, it’s frustrating and sad. Who knows what kind of racism goes on in people’s heads, that they don't speak or act upon.
Miss Rachel: Didn't that happen too Danny Glover? In my experience, most of the cab drivers I've met on the east coast are minorities themselves... What's up with that?
PACK FM: Man, racism comes from all angles. Danny Glover exposed the cab situation and I swear for 2 weeks I couldn't get cabs to leave me alone, then it wore off and they started dissin me again. They're scared because there are some grimey dudes who rob them and don't pay, but they need to have better judgment and not place every young minority into the same box. I need to make a song about this haha
PACK FM: Sometimes it’s the best, sometimes it’s the worst. I'm pretty much in total control of everything I do. But at the same time, I have to do everything myself. Sometimes I feel like there's nobody on my side. I sit in my room shrink wrapping hundreds of mixtapes to sell before every show and I think to my self "I bet MC Popular doesn't have to go through this shit". I email promoters myself and negotiate shows one on one. I call up stores and keep my album in stock directly. I send new songs and records to mixtape and radio dj's myself. But in the end, it’s worth it because it all gets done how I want it when I want it. The downfall is, there's only so much one man can do, I'm going to need someone to step up and be on my team soon. The upside is there's no middle man half assing and telling lies. Nobody has your best interest in mind like you do.
Miss Rachel: I would think it would be a lot more challenging to work with promoters yourself versus having someone to handle all of the business for you, just because a lot of promoters that book shows don’t always know that much about hip hop. Any rough moments?
PACK FM: Ah man, too many to mention one. I've had to break into promoter’s houses and wait for them. I've had to damn near fight to get paid. I've had to take control of shows when the promoter slacks. Sometimes fans want to see you perform so bad that they try to take on the role of a promoter and the result is usually disastrous. I used to promote shows in NYC, so I know when catastrophe is on the way.
PACK FM: Man this dude decides to disappear before the show was over and not answer his calls. He hadn't paid me or even booked my hotel. So I asked around and found out where he lived that night, took a cab to his building. Waited for someone to go inside, went to his apt, and he came in and found me and my boy watching TV on his couch waiting. We walked him to the ATM and made him empty his account.
Miss Rachel: Sounds like you had to get a little serious with him... Apparently, you're not a pussy emo rapper, eh?
PACK FM: Hahah far from it. I aint super thug though. I'm all for peace and all that hippie shit.
Miss Rachel: What's the best part of being a rapper? The money or the bitches?
PACK FM: I'll let you know when either of the options apply to me hahah. Seriously, the money is ok, but it aint like people think. I still gotta do other things to pay the NYC bills. And I don't attract groupie type women; I try not to give off that type of vibe. So I'm gonna say the best part of being a rapper to me is performing. Seeing the world for free, having people gather just to see you, can't beat that.
Miss Rachel: Do you see yourself rapping when you’re 60-years old?
PACK FM: Sure why not, Ozzie Osborne, Mick Jagger, James Brown (RIP), them dudes never stopped. I don't see why it has to be any different with rap. Hip Hop is the only genre that wants to bury the old instead of creating legends.
Miss Rachel: Why do you think that is?
PACK FM: Well it’s a young culture, 30yrs old. It was started by the urban youth. It’s always been associated with youth which people get mixed up with being immature. So while the youth embrace it, the older heads try to move away from it to be "more mature". Jay-Z is the only one who is showing people how hip-hop and maturity can go together. Where as someone like LL Cool J is steady trying to look like he's 25 when he's 40 with his pants rolled up and his hat backwards.
Miss Rachel: So you're saying more artists should embrace maturity in their later career years? I feel like most of the artists who came from the underground and have matured into more conscious rappers (i.e., Nas, Common) were a lot more street when their careers started, and that worked for them by grabbing a lot of the true underground heads, and then being able to embrace a wider audience by cleaning their shit up a bit.
PACK FM: Totally, you can't be afraid to evolve. And now that a lot of artists are starting to mature, it’s becoming trendy and some heads are forcing it. Like Ludacris for example. Dude has wild hair and yellin "Move Bitch Get Out The Way!" one minute, and then trying to kick rap worthy of an Oprah episode the next. There's a difference between evolving and just straight switching up.
Miss Rachel: I definitely feel that. I think that kind of shit comes off as fake and as a poor attempt to quiet people like Bill O'Reilly. I think you should battle him. Thanks for your time, family… Any last words? Any new projects? What's up with Pack FM for the later part of 2007?
Sam Baron fits the profile of a quintessential Gemini. Dualistic nature? Check. Contradictory? Yep. Complex? Definitely. Exuding confidence often to the point of arrogance, the MC, who answers to the name Mane Rok and is also one-third of the hip-hop trio Maneline, carries himself with an unwavering bravado that's earned him a reputation for being egocentric. And deservedly so.
In 2005, when he was nominated for a Westword Music Showcase award, the outspoken rhymesayer described himself as a quote-unquote fanfuckingtastic MC -- and followed that up with an unapologetic assertion that his skill at rocking the mike freestyle was unmatched. "I can freestyle about whatever," he noted flatly. "Everyone says that, but I really can. And if you really took the time to listen to the clever shit I write, you'd be amazed."
Of course, as the quintessential Gemini, Baron has two sides. Publicly, he's the picture of poise. Privately, however, he admits that the thought of how his music will be received frequently has him "scared shitless." As it turns out, all that grandstanding is mostly just that.
"That's funny," he says. "I get that all the time. People think that I'm really arrogant and that I'm conceited. And I know, I do give that off. I think that's directly correlated to my insecurity and my need to overcompensate."
An MC with self-esteem issues? In the rap game, where swollen egos are the order of the day, Baron is an anomaly. And the surprising duality doesn't end there. Although his ideals fall in line with the more thought-provoking hip-hop artists who typically eschew the ostentatiousness of the mainstream, Baron admits to being materialistic.
But then, he's been the odd man out for most of his life. The son of a first-generation Mexican immigrant, he grew up in a modest ranch-style house in the Swansea neighborhood, surrounded by kids who would go on to become card-carrying gangbangers. Thanks to a nurturing mother, Baron avoided a similar fate.
"We were fortunate, my sister and I, that we didn't get sucked into a lot of things that other people fell into," he says. "My mom was very strong; she was at the helm of our family and did everything. My dad was the money maker. He worked long hours and was gone at five in the morning and wouldn't come home until it was dark. So it was all about my mom, and she was very involved in making sure we didn't fall into that shit."
Being singled out early on for his precocious intellect didn't help his street cred much, either. Nothing says gangsta quite like being in the gifted program.
"I was ostracized because of that," he remembers. "I was one of a very few Mexicans around all white kids. And so I've always been separated. And it's always been that way since I was young. I've always been in programs where I was the token minority."
But at least in school, his heritage wasn't questioned. "Growing up, me and my sister were always told we were whitewashed," Baron grouses. "To boot, when I started getting more into emceeing and started rapping when I was fourteen, fifteen, all of a sudden I was black -- trying to be black. I've never been able to be Mexican. That's why I feel like I'm always stuck in the middle. I've never been able to just be accepted as me. I have friends even now who tell me I don't have my hood pass and shit."
If anyone's earned a hood pass, though, it's Baron. When Swansea got too bad -- a mailman reportedly quit his route after being shot at three times -- his family moved to Park Hill, then south near Garfield Park. Baron attended Horace Mann Middle School, then went to George Washington High School. "I've lived all over the city in all these neighborhoods," he points out. "If anyone's from Denver and represents the city, it's me, goddamnit!"
Baron's Maneline protegés, on the other hand, would have a harder time getting past the ghetto gatekeepers. MC/producer Casper Macanally (aka Inkline, pronounced "Incline") and DJ Adam Williams (aka Dee Jay Tense) are two white boys with a predilection for hip-hop. But like Baron, who was turned on to hip-hop while admiring graffiti as a blue-haired skate punk, Williams and Macanally embody the notion that it's all about getting in where you fit in.
Macanally learned how to adapt early on; he had to. A preacher's son and the youngest of five, he never lived anywhere longer than a year. In fourth grade he started listening to hardcore rap acts like Too $hort and NWA (interesting choices for a preacher's kid), but he was consumed with sports and didn't develop a real interest in hip-hop until the mid-'90s. After a stint playing guitar in an experimental noise-rock band, he decided to try making beats and rhyming. By then, he was into Wu Tang Clan and OutKast and already pretty well rounded musically.
"I've always been into different types of music, never one thing -- which you can probably tell from my production," Macanally offers. "When I sample, I sample anything, everything, and basically try to update it and translate it into my own sounds. I try not to limit myself to one type of sound. That's how I've always done it. That's why I chose the name Inkline. I'm always at an incline, never happy with where I'm at. Once cats get comfortable, they get passed by cats who want to work."
Baron and Macanally, who met through mutual friends, had already collaborated on a couple of songs when the latter moved to Denver in October 2005. Baron had just parted ways with his previous outfit, Ideal Ideologies, and now he hooked up with someone whose ideology he truly shared. "Fuck just being an MC," Baron says. "This is songwriting. You need to transcend those boundaries. I think that's the problem with a lot of MCs: They just want to be rappers and that's all. Why? You're making music. You're writing songs. People don't consider rappers as musicians. It's like, fuck that. It's really important to me that my stuff is musical."
Macanally's production on Till Then..., the outfit's outstanding debut, underscores that sentiment, with beats spanning wide on sunny, keyboard-drenched cuts like "Young Bux" -- which calls to mind Ahmad's "Back in the Day," both in tone and texture -- to such dark, brooding, soul-baring tracks as "Come Back." A flurry of tom hits lays the foundation for Baron as he fervently delivers the lines "'Bout to lose it all, really, just walking away/Tail between my legs, I crawl, no option to stay/Hella frustrated because I'm not getting paid, while idiots on the radio have you nodding like slaves/Makes me feel like this whole time it was nothing but useless shit/As far as Mane Rok goes, it's as good as my music gets." Throughout Till Then..., Macanally's unhurried, rhythmic flow augments Baron's forceful cadence.
If you ask Baron and Macanally, though, they'll tell you that Williams is the cornerstone of Maneline's sound. Williams took over for Baron's best friend, DJ AWHAT!!, who was spread a little thin as DJ for the various factions of the L.I.F.E. crew, a loose group of friends who formed an artistic collective akin to the Hieroglyphics crew. A well-regarded turntablist who's competed in numerous DMC and Guitar Center battles, Williams was also a founding member of the Crunk Bros. with DJ Cysko Rokwell and appeared regularly on Radio 1190's Basementalism during its formative years.
"Tense is a monster on the tables," Macanally says of Williams. "He just picks it up. In a year and a half, we've rehearsed twice, and I'd say nine times out of ten, his execution is perfect."
Not too shabby for a kid who started deejaying on a makeshift setup consisting of an old-school, all-in-one console with a record player and cassette deck, a belt-driven Toshiba turntable and a buzzy, beat-up $50 Jazzy Jeff mixer.
"Our show is nothing without Tense," adds Baron. "I refuse to do a show without him, because he's that integral to our music and our show."
A show that Maneline is now ready to take on the road, putting its money where Baron's mouth is.
"What I've come to realize is, rappers have the biggest egos in the world, and that's just the way it is," Baron concludes. "And we don't want to accept that maybe we're not up to par. Ever. We're always the best. We're getting old. I can't sit here and bullshit myself anymore. It's time to give the people something."
But with Till Then..., one of the finest hop-hop releases in recent memory, Baron and crew have already done just that.
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